Legislature(2007 - 2008)HOUSE FINANCE 519

02/05/2008 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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01:44:25 PM Start
01:44:44 PM Presentation: Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority
02:55:53 PM HB315
03:18:42 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation: Alaska Mental Health Trust TELECONFERENCED
Authority - Housing Trust, Bring the Kids
Home Initiative, Crime, and Recidivism
+ HB 315 EXTEND BIG GAME COMMERCIAL SERVICES BOARD TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HOUSE BILL NO. 315                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act extending the termination date of the Big Game                                                                     
     Commercial Services Board; and providing for an                                                                            
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
LINDA  HAY, STAFF,  REPRESENTATIVE  RALPH SAMUELS,  described                                                                   
House Bill  315 as  an extension of  the Big Game  Commercial                                                                   
Services Board  to June  30, 2012,  at the recommendation  of                                                                   
the Legislative Audit Division.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PAT  DAVIDSON,   LEGISLATIVE  AUDITOR,  LEGISLATIVE   AFFAIRS                                                                   
AGENCY,  explained  that  the Big  Game  Commercial  Services                                                                   
Board  was   reconstituted  approximately   two  years   ago.                                                                   
Normally sunset extensions are  around eight years. The Board                                                                   
had only two years  of activity under their belt  at the time                                                                   
of the review.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:55:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Legislative Audit recommended  a four-year extension. Most of                                                                   
the other  recommendations  were administrative.  Legislative                                                                   
Audit recommended  that fees be increased to  cover the costs                                                                   
generated by the Board.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:57:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL JOHNSON, PRESIDENT, BIG GAME  COMMERCIAL SERVICES BOARD,                                                                   
spoke in favor of the bill. He  reported that the Board spent                                                                   
the  past two  years getting  up  and running,  and that  its                                                                   
members are volunteers.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Johnson  said in  response to  a query by  Representative                                                                   
Kelly  that his  biggest  concern was  addressing  complaints                                                                   
that have  come in after a  ten-year lapse. He  reported that                                                                   
the Board  now has  a good investigator,  great support  from                                                                   
the Department  of Commerce  and have  been working  on their                                                                   
image.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  FITHIAN,  EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR,   ALASKA  PROFESSIONAL                                                                   
HUNTERS' ASSOCIATION (TESTIFIED  VIA TELECONFERENCE) spoke in                                                                   
support of HB  315. He believes the oversight  board is vital                                                                   
to   the  integrity   of  Alaska's   guide  and   transporter                                                                   
industries,   to  prudent  wildlife   conservation,   and  to                                                                   
sustainable   economy  in  rural   Alaska.  The   Board  also                                                                   
represents  a  much needed  buffer  between  Alaska's  public                                                                   
resources  of wildlife  and wild lands,  and exploitation  by                                                                   
the professional guide and transporter industries.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Fithian  said that six years  ago Alaska had  a blemished                                                                   
image in relation  to how the State managed  guide industries                                                                   
and  wildlife,  and  the  lack  of  consumer  protection.  He                                                                   
described  the  three  years of  hard  work  re-creating  the                                                                   
Board. In  a recent meeting with  a worldwide group  of guide                                                                   
and outfitter  association representatives,  people  from all                                                                   
over  the  world  requested  the  footprint  for  how  Alaska                                                                   
established  the  current  guide   and  outfitting  licensing                                                                   
standards. He  said the Board is working  exceptionally well,                                                                   
supported by all  affiliated state and federal  agencies. The                                                                   
Board carries its own weight financially.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:03:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Stoltze   observed   that  the   United   States                                                                   
Department  of  Agriculture is  in  favor  of this  bill.  He                                                                   
wondered  why the  federal government  is  interested in  the                                                                   
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Johnson  explained  that  the  Board  has  learned  from                                                                   
experience  that cooperating  with  the  federal agencies  on                                                                   
land use  and other issues, then  the State can make  its own                                                                   
laws and regulations with local input.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:05:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer opened discussion of the new fiscal note.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER    STRICKLER,   LICENSING    CHIEF,   DIVISION    OF                                                                   
CORPORATIONS    BUSINESS    AND    PROFESSIONAL    LICENSING,                                                                   
DEPTARTMENT OF COMMERCE, COMMUNITY  AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,                                                                   
pointed  out  that  the  fiscal  note  before  the  Committee                                                                   
reflects  both direct  and  indirect costs  to  the Big  Game                                                                   
Commercial   Services   Board.   She   explained   that   all                                                                   
professional  licensing programs  are responsible by  statute                                                                   
for covering costs through licensing  fees. The Board's costs                                                                   
are built into the standard operating budget.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Strickler explained  that the  Board is  staffed by  two                                                                   
full-time  occupational   examiner  positions.  One   of  the                                                                   
positions  is   currently  vacant  due  to   difficulties  in                                                                   
recruiting because of the pay  ranges. The Board is receiving                                                                   
the  support of  a dedicated  investigator.  Other costs  are                                                                   
indirect costs,  for example, the supervisors  that have been                                                                   
sitting in  with the  licensing examiners  to help  staff the                                                                   
Board and  the regulations  specialists  that have helped  to                                                                   
promulgate the regulations and other management costs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:07:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault  wanted  clarification   regarding  travel                                                                   
costs which he thought looked high.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Strickler  indicated that the  Board meets twice  a year.                                                                   
Licensing examinations  are given during the  meeting because                                                                   
the  presence  Board  members  and  staff  are  necessary  to                                                                   
conduct examinations. The meeting  lasts for a week and costs                                                                   
around $35,000.  Sometimes members  are required to  fly exam                                                                   
proctors (professional  licensees) to come and  help with the                                                                   
exams. If the proctors can drive, their mileage is covered.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  asked if all the other costs  were covered                                                                   
in  the  $108,000 for  contractual  services.  Ms.  Strickler                                                                   
answered that the contractual  costs cover legal fees, expert                                                                   
witnesses  and   also  re-writes   of  the  guide   licensing                                                                   
examinations. The examination  is currently being re-written,                                                                   
which is a major undertaking.  Co-Chair Chenault asked if the                                                                   
examinations  would be re-written  every year. Ms.  Strickler                                                                   
hoped not, but explained that the examination is extensive.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Chenault pointed  out that  the cost was  projected                                                                   
out through the  length of the extension. He  noted the Board                                                                   
has nine board members.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:10:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  had further questions about travel  costs. He                                                                   
pointed out  that if the  Board meets  twice each year,  at a                                                                   
cost of $35,000 each meeting,  the total would be $70,000. He                                                                   
asked  what the other  $30,000  on the fiscal  note was  used                                                                   
for.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Strickler answered that the  Board sends investigators to                                                                   
conferences outside Alaska. The  investigators also work with                                                                   
other law  enforcement  agencies, such  as Fish and  Wildlife                                                                   
Protection, and need to travel to hearings.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer thought the justification sounded weak. Co-                                                                      
Chair  Chenault wanted  to know  how  many investigators  the                                                                   
Board  utilized. Ms.  Strickler  answered one  there was  one                                                                   
investigator, with one position  for investigator still open.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly wondered  if the  position that  hasn't                                                                   
been  filled   could  be  eliminated   since  the   Board  is                                                                   
performing so  well without it.  Ms. Strickler  answered that                                                                   
currently  a supervisor  is filling  in as  much as she  can.                                                                   
However, there  are major projects  require much  staff time,                                                                   
including  the guide scanning  project.  The Board is  always                                                                   
behind  with requests  from  enforcement  officers for  these                                                                   
records.  Once that  process is  completed,  she thought  one                                                                   
staff position to the Board could be reduced.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:13:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly thought more  information was needed and                                                                   
that  the vacancy  rate was  a budget  issue. Co-Chair  Meyer                                                                   
thought the  bill could be passed  out of committee  with the                                                                   
current fiscal note  and then changes could still  be made in                                                                   
the  budget.   Representative  Hawker  observed   that  as  a                                                                   
statutory board,  the Board is  separately accounted  and not                                                                   
part of the Department's general fund budget.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule added that  the absence of the Board for                                                                   
about ten years created significant  problems. He referred to                                                                   
the effort  taken to  get the Board  running again  and noted                                                                   
that part of the  Board's success will depend on  how well it                                                                   
is maintained. He  understood the need to scrutinize  but did                                                                   
not  want the  Board  to  fall behind  again.  Representative                                                                   
Kelly thought any problems could be handled in committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:16:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker  asked if the fiscal note  reflects the                                                                   
increase  in fee  rates. He  wondered  how personal  services                                                                   
positions are acquired. Ms. Strickler  answered that personal                                                                   
services positions are not listed  on the fiscal note because                                                                   
they  are  not  exclusively  authorized  through  the  budget                                                                   
process.  Occupational   licensing  examiner   positions  are                                                                   
authorized through the Division's  budget. Management assigns                                                                   
the various licensing programs to the positions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker   discussed  the  difference   between                                                                   
contractual services to an agency and personal services.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Chenault  MOVED to  REPORT HB  315 out of  Committee                                                                   
with individual  recommendations and the new  attached fiscal                                                                   
note  dated  2/4/08. There  being  NO  OBJECTION, it  was  so                                                                   
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB   315  was   reported  out   of  Committee   with  a   "no                                                                   
recommendation" and with a new  fiscal note by the Department                                                                   
of Commerce, Community and Economic Development.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:19 PM.                                                                                           

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